"[15] So a month and a half after the murders, Fuhrman tells you this. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire and the blaze were held off by rioters. McKinny, who was a professor at the North Carolina School of the Arts in its filmmaking department, was resistant to sharing the tapes and transcripts from her interviews with Fuhrman according to . 'They had pictures on the walls, there was blood all the way to the ceiling with finger marks like they were trying to crawl out of the room.'. They're utterly incompetent and they're dangerous. Fuhrman, who is now 64, is also a frequent guest on Fox News. Simpson's lawyers. It fails to support the admissibility of these incidents of alleged misconduct as prior bad acts or evidence of custom and habit. PHILLIPS: Who had helped them in some way or not reported something in a report that those officers felt they should have or had done something nice to them, had backed them up. After that you usually get the truth. PHILLIPS: Today, no longer a screenplay consultant, or a cop, Fuhrman, who declined to be interviewed for this program, is an author. But then I really saw how serious Mark Fuhrman was about the other men talking to the women. PHILLIPS: What did you tell him? HART MCKINNY: I was plummet why? I think he was being truthful. Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. PHILLIPS: Really? McKinny's tapes would impact more than just the O.J. He wasn't going to help you. PHILLIPS: In 1985 McKinny met Mark Fuhrman in Los Angeles, ten years before the O.J. PHILLIPS: In 1997 the task force released this report, keeping secret portions of the tapes. I feel that often when I'm working. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? FUHRMAN: I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege. ", 'Held her like this - threw the b**** down the stairs - deadbolted the door - Let's play, boys.'. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in preparation of your testimony today can you tell the jury how many times you counted that he used that word? - On construction of a new police stations, By How did it unfold before you thought this guy can help me? But Fuhrman wasn't the only one with this attitude towards women. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The court finds the defendant guilty based on his plea of no contest. Another time he is complaining about members of the force no longer being allowed to use certain methods of force on suspects. Simpson Trial? It is a theory without factual support. Where were you going? Simpson double-murder trial, recently retired Los Angeles Police Detective Mark Fuhrman said he and other officers [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. PHILLIPS: Stunning to hear now, but not really surprising when looking back on a man known to be cocky. They knew how he was and nobody did anything. "[8], Earlier in the trial, Fuhrman testified that he had not used the word "nigger" within the last ten years, which proved later to be perjured testimony with the admission of the tapes. He didn't know where Fatburger was? . It was Fuhrman who reported finding the bloody glove behind Simpson's house the morning after the June 12, 1994, murders of Nicole . Laura Hart McKinny, her tapes and recordings of Mark Fuhrman saying the "n" word. - On new LAPD regulations, 'Go to Wilshire division. HART MCKINNY: He asked if in that story I had research tapes and if I had taped Mark Fuhrman. And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. A sign to find anything that would support the defense's strategy that Mark Fuhrman was a racist who planted evidence. I would have a very hard time today sitting here thinking of my sons and telling them that I destroyed something that I was proud that I had done. It was a bombshell! And I don't think that is a slam to women, considering you know that I don't think -- [23:15:03] PHILLIPS: Fuhrman clearly he had no respect for women cops. [4][5] In a taped interview to McKinney in 1985, Fuhrman bragged about his leadership in MAW, a secret organization within the LAPD that reportedly had 145 members in five of the city's 18 police divisions during its heyday in the mid-1980s. - On gun control, 'These n******, they run like rabbits, some policemen just sit there and they look, you have to tell them what to do.' ', In his final recording, Fuhrman talks about the Simpson case and having discovered the glove, telling McKinny; 'I'm the key witness in the biggest case of the century. They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're still trying to Market this? PHILLIPS: Why? Man, it has the smell of n****** that have been beaten and killed in there for years.' - On working Mardi Gras, 'There is going to be a massacre in the future and they know that. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. Fuhrman later describes the aftermath of the brawl, saying; 'We broke 'em. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. - Speaking about threats to police, 'She was afraid. The underlying assumption requires a leap in both law and logic that is too broad to be made based upon the evidence before the jury. Most things, hard lessons, are things that are thrust upon you when you don't ask for them and you have to react to them. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. Read what the NY Times had to say about this site back in 1995: Discussion of the O. J. Simpson Murder Trial Is On-Line as Well as on the Air -- N.Y. Times, February 14, 1995. PHILLIPS: Impacting the trial of the century. And I think everybody's better for it. PHILLIPS: Exposing alleged hatred. PHILLIPS: He won. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: I picked up the phone. You're never going to find. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman also went on an apology tour, visiting Diane Sawyer, Oprah, and Larry King. [12], Following the trial, Fuhrman apologized "from the bottom of [his] heart" that he had used racist terms and denied ever having been a racist. - Speaking against women on the force, 'No, we have to eliminate a choke hold because a bunch of n****** down in the south end of L.A. said this is bad.' I used to practice my kicks.' Mon, Jan 30, 2023 . That person has never been revealed to me. They also did not hear the 39 other times Fuhrman used the n-word tapes obtained by the defense. They go, hey Bubba, what's happening, like that.' Harrington also publicly responded to Fuhrman's views that female police officers are unfit for police work because of their biological sex. There's just no way to do it all. PHILLIPS: Her 12 tapes would become a racial powder keg. 'We searched him again and found the gun. FUHRMAN TAPES The court has read and considered the Defense Offer Of Proof Re: "Fuhrman Tapes", the amendments to the original offer of proof, the responses filed by the prosecution, listened to the redacted audio tapes, read and considered the multiple transcripts of the redacted audio tapes, and heard the argument of counsel. Investigators did link 12 accounts to known events, but their investigation was inconclusive, aside from the use of racial epithets and male officers' misogyny towards female officers, which was substantiated. Simpson's car door. Did you ever at any point feel I need to report what he is saying? The prosecution called for Judge Ito to recuse himself believing he could not be fair given this new development, while the defense argued against that. - On dealing with a suspect, 'Leave that old station. HART MCKINNY: He threatens me and he said I'll take you and any females you bring and I'll choke you all out in a minute. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. The LAPD announced that Fuhrman exaggerated many of the acts of racially motivated brutality described on the recordings. They're full of white guys that wear cowboy boots.' HART MCKINNY: Yes. He later says; 'Well, the funny thing about it is just like the attorney said, `For the rest of your life, this is you: you're bloody glove Fuhrman, that's it. And you go how could this have happened to us? PHILLIPS: Seemingly makes guys aware that if they are nice to female officers there will be consequences. How do you plead? Following are excerpts from the ruling yesterday by Judge Lance A. Ito of Superior Court allowing the jury in the O. J. Simpson murder trial to hear two examples of racial epithets by Detective Mark Fuhrman in conversations with Laura Hart McKinny but barring examples of Mr. Fuhrman's boasting of misconduct: The Fuhrman tapes and transcripts raise a number of complex and compelling issues. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. PHILLIPS: How did you stomach listening to that over and over again? So what else was on those tapes? HART MCKINNY: I could tell there was a story - I didn't t know what the story was that I was - to deal with him. In one tape, Fuhrman complains about a partner who followed department rules and was unwilling to lie for another officer. I didn't know what I was doing. As such, the defendant is entitled to effectively cross-examine him. I would never have sold the tapes. HART MCKINNY: Those comments that he used made me feel repulsed but also it lit a fire under me. Held her like this, threw the pitch down the stairs. Use critters. To feed a bunch of dumb n***** that their own government won't even feed.'. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In a matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson. HART MCKINNY: There were bits of the puzzle I was unable to reveal at the time and I was unable to be as truthful as I really wanted to be. PHILLIPS: So did Mark Fuhrman called you say Laura, please don't give up those tapes? . PHILLIPS: Still a mystery? PHILLIPS: Well, he became infamous. Because of Fuhrman's discovery of a bloody glove at the Rockingham residence and its scientific significance, he is a significant although not essential witness against the defendant. FUHRMAN: No, sir. There is the Rolling 60's, n***** group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds.' Want to know what they said during those sidebars in the criminal trial? Simpson trial, Tia Morris testified before an administrative board about the behavior of Mark Fuhrman and other officers. PHILLIPS: Why would he want to keep talking to you for so many years? Why would he say that? And I will deny the subpoena. The transcript and audio of that portion of the tapes was never released. Judge Ito's first ruling on the Fuhrman tapes . UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are tragically into the third day of this major riot-- PHILLIPS: Los Angeles. I couldn't believe it. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He would have been happy because he could have allowed me to get hurt and that would be right up his alley. PHILLIPS: So when you heard about men against women and this group of guys making it their mission to intimidate and harass women, did you believe it? Motions and Court Orders "[5] Harrington criticized the report, saying it "was good in documenting that there is a problem, but I don't think the report offers any solutions." Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. Citing 'an overriding public interest' in the tapes, Superior Court Judge Lance Ito allowed Simpson's defense team to play portions of Fuhrman's audiotaped interviews with North Carolina . Chief Willy Williams proposed sweeping changes in how his department handles sexual harassment. [9], Fuhrman was charged with perjury for his testimony at the trial. PHILLIPS: Laura Hart McKinny tells all. This court's focus, however, is legally restricted to just two issues: 1) Is Orenthal James Simpson guilty of the murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, and 2) How should these tapes impact upon the testimony by and about now retired Los Angeles Police Department Detective Mark Fuhrman. Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. Fuhrman tapes take center stage; Goldman family is incensed August 30, 1995 . PHILLIPS: And it was sure happening in L.A. in the 1980s with resentment and retaliation against the campaign to recruit more women and minorities to the LAPD. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think it's an outrages ruling and we're going to appeal. BERNARD PARKS, DEPUTY CHIEF LAPD: I made a point to always take a moment to look at somebody's background and not give them an opportunity to put the department in a bad light. PHILLIPS: Did you feel a need to protect him? HART MCKINNY: Yes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McKinny what was your occupation? August 15, 1995 . Suits, Motions and Court Orders HART MCKINNY: Bingo. Two questions. - Discussing a rape victim, 'Now, it's funny because guys in Internal Affairs go, "Mark, you can do just about anything. "No problem, not even any marks, Dana." HART MCKINNY: That I don't know. PHILLIPS: Two people brutally murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and the main suspect, Nicole's ex-husband, football legend, O.J. Torture, all kinds of stuff,' says Fuhrman. I was extremely nervous. Go "on guard?" We kicked the door done. PHILLIPS: Why? HART MCKINNY: Still a mystery. PHILLIPS: Exactly what McKinny needed to write her screen play about misogyny in the Los Angeles police department? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He shined his light and just sat there. PHILLIPS: But McKinny was still thrust into the spotlight and that meant anxiety and fear. Many people also know about a key piece of evidence introduced by the defensetaped interviews in which one of the investigating officers, Los Angeles Police Department detective Mark Fuhrman, used racial slurs. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 42 times? Internal Affairs files secured by a reporter revealed that the LAPD has been regularly covering up serious problems of family violence, principally wife-beating, within its ranks," adding "officers who beat their wives are regularly exonerated or receive only minor suspensions, even for brutal acts of violence. In the end no proof could be found that 17 of the incidents ever even occurred, and investigations into the other 12 did not find any concrete proof of misconduct. HART MCKINNY: She didn't know what was on the tapes, but when I said the tapes are confidential and she said it's a murder trial. That the other guys wouldn't talk with him. He knew exactly how important he was. : Fuhrman Tapes Revealed. Just body shots. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A massive combined National Guard and police sweep is underway to bring peace and order. He either deserves it or he doesn't.' Simpson. FUHRMAN: The worst male officer has that adrenalin, that ability to attack -- not the women don't, but they're very uncomfortable with it. PHILLIPS: One year after Fuhrman was passed over for a promotion, Parks had to set up another task force. The Fuhrman tapes are 13 hours of taped interviews given by Los Angeles police officer Mark Fuhrman to writer Laura McKinny between 1985 and 1994. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. PHILLIPS: Its fiction, and the title, the same as Fuhrman's real-life secret society, Men against women. Questions then arose how she could not remember Fuhrman given the fact that he spoke so angrily about her on the tapes. PHILLIPS: So, why didn't you sell them? I was trying to do a screenplay. If you do you're either so ugly or they're lesbians or so dyke-ish that they're not women anymore. They're like caught in between it's like half in a door and half out. We'd love to investigate just some good 'ol boy beating up a n***** in a bar."' I really don't. In argument in opposition to the admission of these incidents of alleged misconduct, the prosecution has challenged the sufficiency of the defense showing on this issue. Your charges are as follows. um. Just body shots.
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